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Zacktaylor

Hey folks, looking for new music?

My name is Zack Taylor. I recorded these songs just a few days ago.  You could be some of the first to hear it.  And that will never change.  Time cannot change what you've already done.  You've already cheated on your girlfriend. Time won't change that.  WHy not do some good today? and listen to some music that time won't erase?

The music is akin to Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Woody Guthrie, And David Bowie.  YOu can hear itat-

Myspace.com/zacktaylorplaysmusic

I hope you do, and I hope you enjoy.  

I will be hear to answer any questions as far as my process or my message.  Please feel free to ask a million questions.  I have a million and a half answers!
kickboot

Sorry man, NOBODY can ever be Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Woody  -- maybe David Bowie however.
Anyway you have to be able to sing in tune.
And write good songs
And play the guitar
And stay off the substances - it shows!
But guid luck tae ye onyweys.
Zacktaylor

so you listened?
kickboot

Of course I listened. I would never have given an opinion otherwise.
Zacktaylor

Damn. So your opinion is I can't sing. Write songs or play guitar? Hah...I was stoned though.  

You are harshing my mellow.
Zacktaylor

O To Have You, O To Hold You

Try that one out
kickboot

Sorry to seem like a know it all, but us old-timers have a bit of experience in these thangs. Plus I widnae want tae pit ye aff.

The song is nice, but you're murdering it with scrubbing the guitar. Get subtle -- especially with a love song. Emotion is good in singin' but ye've got to still keep a handle on the notes. Try a bit o' light'n'shade.
Zacktaylor

Ok. That's fair enough.   Mr. Inspector is a rock song.  I appreciate you listening anyway.  It's all I can ask.
kickboot

Don't give up, man, it takes years. Not that I could say I got there masel.
Zacktaylor

I hear ya. I'm 21. Still full of hope.  I've written hundreds.  First hundred songs are like first million dollars.  It's all downhill after that.  My best if you care to listen again are-

My Boy You Made It...It's about Christ

Mr. Inspector....It's about Jack The Ripper

Laura Like A Melody/Heaven-Sent

Peace be with you old timer...You don't give up either.
kickboot

Listen, I remeber the first time some hot shit nobody in London more or less told me I was crap. I was actually 21. I was mortified and cut to the very marrow. I won't tell you how auld ah am now, but ah must've got better anyway. Ahm still giggin'
Zacktaylor

I may be alot. But I'm not crap.  There is substance.  I got room to grow.  My marrow got cut when I was 18...It's regrown since then. I'm proud of it. That's the only reason I'm trying to share it with you.  Cuz I'm legitimately proud of it.  

I recorded all these songs back to back to back over a 45 minute spell.  So perfection is not found.  But the songs speak.  YOU'VE ONLY MOTIVATED ME YOU LIMEY SO AND SO!

For which I thank you.
kickboot

Go for it!

PS I'm not a limey I'm a Scot!
Zacktaylor

A Scot can't let that go uncorrected!

Ps. I modeled O To Have You, O To Hold You after a Robert Burns poem.
kickboot

I got you. But I'm not the only person on this forum. Maybe you'll get a pleasant surprise.
Catskinner

Lose the jesus. There's too much jesus in your stuff.

That restricts you to a niche market of people who actually want to hear songs about jesus and makes those of us who find the religious message irritating and/or offensive dismiss you out of hand.
KosmoT

Just because these people don't like you means nothing, I quite like them, not really my cuppa tea, I'd say you were more like Johnny Cash than anybody else.

Uhm, ignore all of these people, who cares what other people think as long as you enjoy yourself?

People have always been kind to me about what I do, but like, I'd happily take criticism, but probably ignore people like this.

You're fairly in tune!
(P.S are you american: if NOT don't sing like one <---my only advice!)
And maybe have some alterations, the songs sound a little similar to each other.

And for goodness sake, you people are SO fricking judgemental, flipping simon cowel wannabes, and he's a shit head, no on should imitate him.
Catskinner

KosmoT wrote:
Just because these people don't like you means nothing, I quite like them, not really my cuppa tea, I'd say you were more like Johnny Cash than anybody else.

Uhm, ignore all of these people, who cares what other people think as long as you enjoy yourself?

People have always been kind to me about what I do, but like, I'd happily take criticism, but probably ignore people like this.

You're fairly in tune!
(P.S are you american: if NOT don't sing like one <---my only advice!)
And maybe have some alterations, the songs sound a little similar to each other.

And for goodness sake, you people are SO fricking judgemental, flipping simon cowel wannabes, and he's a shit head, no on should imitate him.


You should read the thread again.

Where's the judgemental?
Rid Sonja

KosmoT wrote:
Just because these people don't like you means nothing, I quite like them, not really my cuppa tea, I'd say you were more like Johnny Cash than anybody else.

Uhm, ignore all of these people, who cares what other people think as long as you enjoy yourself?

People have always been kind to me about what I do, but like, I'd happily take criticism, but probably ignore people like this.

You're fairly in tune!
(P.S are you american: if NOT don't sing like one <---my only advice!)
And maybe have some alterations, the songs sound a little similar to each other.

And for goodness sake, you people are SO fricking judgemental, flipping simon cowel wannabes, and he's a shit head, no on should imitate him.


Now, I find the above just a tad bad-mannered.  Zacktaylor seemed to be taking the critical evaluation as being negative in substance but positive in essance. Kickboot was at pains to encourage him and say that, at 21, there was room for improvement.  Which there is.  Being judgemental and being critical may appear the same thing to you, Kosmo, it is not.  Too much of what is accepted as good  is crap, mainly because people don't say, "Well, actually, that wasn't very good.".  I was at a concert recently where the performance was trite, bland, one-dimensional and just downright dreary (and I don't mean that they only sung sad songs).. Now you could say that I was being judgemental, but it was trite...  Kickboot also said that he's been gigging for a quite a while.  I think you'll find that there's quite a few here who've been doing that, and experience does bring an knowledge and understanding that you just can't gain from a couple of years' playing.

Perhaps, if the only crit you like to hear is that you are wonderful, irrespective of the reality then you are not asking for a critical evaluation at all.  If you go along with that delusion, you will never improve...such uncritical evaluation from others only mirrors your self-serving bias which is likely to inform you that you are..and so the circularity continues..

Being 'fairly in tune' is a euphemism for being  'out of tune' is it not, and if not, what did you mean?

I listened to a couple of the songs.  What Zack does is not for me - although I do like at least some of the material of the artists on which he is trying to model himself.  Perhaps he should think of not modelling himself on anyone, but allow his own performance to develop.  His songs are, for me, still the angst-ridden introspection of a teenager, and at 21 he may emotionally be a teenager still. Fair enough, emotional age rarely corresponds to chronological age..(Ask many a man in his fifties what age he feels and he's likely to say '17'!)  Like Catskinner, so many references to Jesus made me switch off.  My emotional response was a mix of irritation and boredom.  I would say to to Zacktaylor take a wider perspective of the world, use your natural exhuberance to 'find' the 'real' performer that's inside and see what develops.
KosmoT

Bad mannered would be calling someone who writes, sings and plays his own songs and music a bad musician, songwriter and guitarist, which I what you said.

To be honest I feel that you're only saying those things because he's not to your tastes, the ammount of times people offer criticism to artist jsut because they don't like the music and needlessly make them change is appalling, I think yes there is room for improvment, but I have read the thread fully and I saw the criticism, and judgement.

I feel what I posted was niether bad mannered nor unjustified, maybe comparing you to Simon Cowel was indeed harsh and mean, but I think that this is a reason that people under 25 aren't as into writing their own music and performing folk as they should be (rock and pop musicians are ten a penny)

Apologies for any upset I have caused you and I hope that we can overcome our differences.

Kosmo
KosmoT

Oh and in reference to fairly in tune, I was defending him from you saying he was "out of tune" in fact, for someone recording on the spur of the moment, he's done very well.
Headology

That's the danger of sticking your arse in the air - you're just as likely to get it booted as kissed. It's never bothered me, to be honest, but it goes with the territory - I prefer not to make any claims and just hope for the best. All the best with the music - it's better to get a reaction, of any kind, than be ignored.
Rid Sonja

KosmoT wrote:
Quote:
Bad mannered would be calling someone who writes, sings and plays his own songs and music a bad musician, songwriter and guitarist, which I what you said.

No I did not. I said that there was room for improvement and that he needs to find out who he is as a performer.  

Quote:
To be honest I feel that you're only saying those things because he's not to your tastes, the ammount of times people offer criticism to artist jsut because they don't like the music and needlessly make them change is appalling, I think yes there is room for improvment, but I have read the thread fully and I saw the criticism, and judgement.


I am often in the company of musicians whose musical tastes do not concur with mine. That is independent of their musicianship.  Everyone is at different stages in their musicality and not everyone is a professional musician.  I am glad that you read the thread fully, but you obviously did not take cognisance of who said what  or why something was said.

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I feel what I posted was niether bad mannered nor unjustified, maybe comparing you to Simon Cowel was indeed harsh and mean, but I think that this is a reason that people under 25 aren't as into writing their own music and performing folk as they should be (rock and pop musicians are ten a penny)


I think you should re-read and discover for yourself who you originally compared to Simon Cowel.  It was not I, yet you are now shunting that accusation onto myself.  Lyrics in song is important.  Aligning lyric and song to complement each other is something that takes practice.  Rock and pop musicians (the good ones) know this.  In that the two genres are equal. I could go on at length about the benefits of learning stage craft and performance skills, but, believe me, I'd rather not at this time.

A good thing to learn when debating in this medium is not to attack the poster, but rather the points that are being made.  Some other posters will challenge your logic if you try to score cheap points as you did with Simon Cowel.


Quote:
Apologies for any upset I have caused you and I hope that we can overcome our differences.

Kosmo


Apology accepted.
Rid Sonja

KosmoT wrote:
Oh and in reference to fairly in tune, I was defending him from you saying he was "out of tune" in fact, for someone recording on the spur of the moment, he's done very well.


You agree then that he was out of tune?  Is that correct?

To say 'fairly in tune' is no more than a euphemism for being out of tune.  Pedantic of me I know, but you were the one to raise the question.  

I live with someone who regularly records his own and others' work...he always ensures that his instruments are in tune beforehand as do every other musician I come into contact with...It's not hard - especially with those wee guitar tuners  going around which tells the guitarist when the string is in tune , and for very little expense.  For the electronic musician, some amps have them as part of their software.
mcintyre

hello,Zack. I've listened to your songs, but I'm not qualified to give you advice or criticism, I can say I quite liked what I heard, particularly the vocals. I'm also an oldtimer, I've been singing for decades and still manage to earn a few quid performing other people's music. You write your own, already you're way ahead of me in that respect. You've got years to go, good luck.
KosmoT

Uhm, Rid Sonja, I do believe that you're mistaken, I actually have never once spoken to you in this and you're talking to the wrong person, the thing I was defending Zack about was this:

kickboot wrote:
Sorry man, NOBODY can ever be Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Woody  -- maybe David Bowie however.
Anyway you have to be able to sing in tune.
And write good songs
And play the guitar
And stay off the substances - it shows!
But guid luck tae ye onyweys.


I hope this helps you, and I also would like you to know that I too am allowed an opinion.

Thank you
Kosmo (veteran folkie)
KosmoT

Rid Sonja, I had not realised when you first spoke to me that it was you who was telling me off and calling me bad mannered, I thought it was the person I had refered to, I understand that kickboot is entitled to his/her opinion but I did think their original comment rather harsh, which is why I posted.

Kosmo
Rid Sonja

KosmoT wrote:
Uhm, Rid Sonja, I do believe that you're mistaken, I actually have never once spoken to you in this and you're talking to the wrong person, the thing I was defending Zack about was this:

kickboot wrote:
Sorry man, NOBODY can ever be Bob Dylan or Neil Young or Woody  -- maybe David Bowie however.
Anyway you have to be able to sing in tune.
And write good songs
And play the guitar
And stay off the substances - it shows!
But guid luck tae ye onyweys.


I hope this helps you, and I also would like you to know that I too am allowed an opinion.

Thank you
Kosmo (veteran folkie)


I think this confusion may have arisen due to your 2nd post being first addressed to me.  I was the one who thought you were being a 'tad bad-mannered'.  You continued to comment about things that I had not said, but without any indication that you were now talking to someone else.   How was I, or anyone else to know?

Of course you are allowed an opinion, but I do not think it is helpful to call people names just because you disagree with them.  That is just lazy thinking.  By all means disagree with what's been said, though.

You're welcome.
Onny

Rid Sonja wrote:
               

Of course you are allowed an opinion, but I do not think it is helpful to call people names just because you disagree with them.  That is just lazy thinking.  ....................


Sometimes it's anything but lazy and serves to aid the reader's comprehension eg  Kenny MacAskilljoy, John Swindle and Fibby Annie Smilie_PDT
KosmoT

To Rid Sonja, I didn't call anyone names, I made a comparison, and I wasn't being bad mannered in my mind, although I feel you took it a little far, I don't know you. And I also consider myself someone who knows a fair bit about this sort of thing, as I'm sure you do too.

I feel that certain comments made were trying to change Zacks music so in the end it wouldn't be him. I'm not too comfortable with the idea of changing to fit an audience. People find niches in the strangest of places, I thought that to tell someone to remove their religion from their music isn't really that nice either.

To Kickboot, I'm sorry if I was being a bit harsh about what you said, I just felt that Zack had no one fighting his corner.

To all others, sorry for managing to turn this into a small spat.
Jim King

Kosmo, has it occurred to you that Zack might not have asked for opinions regarding his songs if had wanted/needed someone to fight his corner?

Most of what has been posted is sensible advice. He can then choose to take or not. Don't be so keen to rescue someone without considering that they want rescuing.
KosmoT

Again, I'm allowed an opinion, and all I was doing was voicing it.

I also wanted to tell him that I liked his stuff, so you know, adding a few other thoughts is doing nobody any harm, and tbh, what I said originally was just "be yourself" in a slightly longer way.

I mean, he put his stuff on here to be listened too, and seeing as he's not posted since, I doubt he cares.

Meh, I kinda think other people have taken it a little too far.

Good luck to Zack.
Jim King

Kosmo, you are behaving like someone who only reads selectively before posting a response. Can I just remind you (in case you have forgotten)?

to Zack, Kosmo wrote:
...ignore all of these people, who cares what other people think as long as you enjoy yourself?


I think Zack invited comments, so I guess he cares.

Quote:
...People have always been kind to me about what I do, but like, I'd happily take criticism, but probably ignore people like this.


Unfortunately, you didn't ignore people 'like this' and you got a response. That comment (possibly unintentionally on your part) was perceived as ill-mannered.

Quote:
...And for goodness sake, you people are SO fricking judgemental, flipping simon cowel wannabes, and he's a shit head, no on should imitate him.


All of that is where you seem to have jumped in to defend Zack, quite aggressively, and without an invitation. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. However, if your opinion is based upon misunderstanding, misreading or naivety you will attract some flack.

to RS you wrote:
Oh and in reference to fairly in tune, I was defending him from you saying he was "out of tune" in fact, for someone recording on the spur of the moment, he's done very well.


See what I mean?

and then you wrote:
Uhm, Rid Sonja, I do believe that you're mistaken, I actually have never once spoken to you in this and you're talking to the wrong person, the thing I was defending Zack about was...


And finally you seem to attempt to excuse yourself with...

Quote:
Again, I'm allowed an opinion, and all I was doing was voicing it.


Of course you are, but how you voice it may have consequences.

Quote:
I also wanted to tell him that I liked his stuff, so you know, adding a few other thoughts is doing nobody any harm,...


Some of your other thoughts ruffled some featers, possibly due to how you expressed them.

Quote:
...and tbh, what I said originally was just "be yourself" in a slightly longer way.

I mean, he put his stuff on here to be listened too, and seeing as he's not posted since, I doubt he cares.

Meh, I kinda think other people have taken it a little too far...


A little more attention to detail when reading a post, before adding your poorly thought through comments might be a way forward. This medium is not like a face to face conversation. You don't get immediate non-verbal feedback which moderates your own input. Perhaps you should consider typing up you response on a word file (or similar, even writing it out on paper) before you post it.

Remember, this is an internet discussion forum, not a message board.

I hope this of use to you. Be well.
kickboot

"To Kickboot, I'm sorry if I was being a bit harsh about what you said, I just felt that Zack had no one fighting his corner."

Nae bother, man. But at least I had a conversation going with Zack, and he did say I'd only encouraged him.
KosmoT

Hmm, Jim King, I still think that my first comment was valid.

The only persons I have meant to address at any point were Kickboot and Zack.

I'll admit that at one point I hadn't realised that I was talking to a different person, and I have apologised, and will do so again now, so as not to cause any more trouble: I'm sorry, and however insincere you choose to think it, I do mean it. I usually hate conflict, which is probably the reason my arguments/comments aren't well constructed. Also due to the times I've posted poorly written too.

did give advice to Zack, which was not to listen too much to people who might just be saying things because they dislike his style. I sometimes feel that I read so many posts just like this where people give far harsher advice and I usually think "well at least it helps them" but I've had friends give up completely on music through comments such as the more negative ones Zack has had here, and was worried that the same would happen. Of course, Kickboot, has spoken more to Zack and all is well.

If my original comment was immature, which I'm sure it seems, seeing as at the time I was probably rather more niggled by an accumulation of things rather than just one, then it should have been ignored. Rather than now just a stream of insults towards myself and what I've written.

I'm not really sure what all of the fuss is about, if it was such an invalid comment that I made in the first place then why is it being carried on (yes, this is carrying on!!! see what I did there?)

I don't have much to say other than I'll probably post each time I feel a bit indignant towards something. Sorry again for this.

Kosmo
Redlornie

Shameless thread creep but I think this has gone as far as it can.....

So Kosomo, how did the first night of your new folk club go??
KosmoT

Really really well!!! The next night is this Sunday, in the QMU!
University Gardens.

We had a wee jam session last time so like I'm hoping for a few more people to turn up and it to be perhaps a little more formal.
Rid Sonja

I'm sure you'll have a wonderful time no matter what  format develops -whether an informal sing-a-round/tune session or concert style.  Good luck.

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